538 - Jessie Duarte, interview by Tony Trew, Johannesburg, 15 July 2014.

A big argument that I remember was between him and Joe Slovo about the RDP houses. Madiba was very concerned because he said this thing would be a feature of our landscape for a long time to come: ‘Is this our only option?’ And there were arguments between them about whether there should be a big slab, a serviced site, and you let people built their own houses and you give them a subsidy to build whatever they want, or you build this small house. And seeing the first houses, Madiba used to joke that people’s feet would stick out the front door.