When I worked with him the way forward was always right at the front of his mind, where we were going to, where we were taking the country to. We’d go to the Eastern Cape and he said, ‘There’s no development here, there’s is nothing; Transkei is as barren as it was when I left it as a child.’ We went to Bisho once and he said, ‘Look, all they’ve built is government buildings.’ Madiba liked Enos Mabuza who had a game reserve that we often went to rest, to stay for five or six days at a time. Madiba would go to Gazankulu and say, ‘There is nothing here, there’s no roads, nothing.’ He was quite vexed about rural development, that we didn’t get into it fast enough, that it took a long time to get into it.