188 - Jessie Duarte, interview by Tony Trew, Johannesburg, 15 July 2014.

Before the election even, he spoke to Buthelezi. I knew Buthelezi’s phone number off by heart because he spoke to him quite often. We would be driving in the middle of nowhere and he would suddenly say, ‘When we get to so and so we must phone Shenge.’ We had a battery operated phone with a battery that never lasted, it was a big thing like a brick. So we would always be looking for a place so Madiba could talk to Shenge.